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The website www.lostshows.com devotes itself to identifying missing TV shows from the past and tries to locate items generally thought lost, erased or transmitted live without any recording. Much of The Who’s 1960s TV output unfortunately comes into this category. There was always some uncertainty around which Ready Steady Go! episodes survived, partly because they fell under the control of Dave Clark, who sought to re-edit some episodes in the 1980s to make the Dave Clark Five more prominent. The following list gives the extent of the damage – no less that 15 appearances by the Who in their prime (many playing live) have been lost:
READY STEADY GO!
29.01.65 with The Animals, The Hollies, Goldie and The Gingerbreads, Elkie Brooks, The Who (missing)
READY STEADY GOES LIVE!
21.05.65 with The Who, The Four Tops (missing)
02.07.65 with Manfred Mann, The Who (missing)
06.08.65 with The Byrds, The Who, Sonny & Cher, Brian Poole and The Tremeloes (missing)
03.09.65 with The Who, The Zombies (missing)
05.11.65 with The Who, Sir Douglas Quintet, Donovan, The Moody Blues (missing)
19.11.65 with The Who, Gerry and The Pacemakers, The Searchers, Chris Andrews, Keith Powell (missing)
03.12.65 with The Walker Brothers, The Hollies, The Who, Ketty Lester, Major Lance, The Toys (missing)
24.12.65 with Eric Burdon, The Spencer Davis Group, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Titch, Donovan, Paul Jones, Alan Price, The Who (missing)
31.12.65 THE NEW YEAR STARTS HERE (missing)
01.04.66 READY STEADY ALLEZ! (missing)
19.08.66 with The Who, Manfred Mann, Cliff Bennett, Twice As Much (missing)
09.09.66 with David Garrick, The Who, Peter & Gordon, Zoot Money, Eddie Cave and the Fyx (missing)
21.10.66 with The Who, Georgie Fame, Lee Dorsey (missing)
23.12.66 with Ready Steady Goes!, The Who (missing)
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Fri, 03 September 2010 09:13  |
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The mind boggles. I had read that the BBC were so cheap as to wipe the video tapes of some of these programs after broadcast, and re-use them for he next run of shows. This suggests that they had unique performances for almost every one of those programs. Arrrrrghhh!!
Anyway the clips from 1965 that have survived are mostly compiled on the disc Purple Hearts & Power Chords in very good quality, I was watching some of those with Nakedeye the other night & they are some of my favorite things.
Dave Clark seems like an eccentric gentleman from what I have heard about him... over-protective to the point of self-sabotage.
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Mon, 06 September 2010 02:20 |
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| bobzilla77 wrote on Fri, 03 September 2010 10:13 |
The mind boggles. I had read that the BBC were so cheap as to wipe the video tapes of some of these programs after broadcast, and re-use them for he next run of shows. This suggests that they had unique performances for almost every one of those programs. Arrrrrghhh!!
Anyway the clips from 1965 that have survived are mostly compiled on the disc Purple Hearts & Power Chords in very good quality, I was watching some of those with Nakedeye the other night & they are some of my favorite things.
Dave Clark seems like an eccentric gentleman from what I have heard about him... over-protective to the point of self-sabotage.
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It is well known (and a major frustration) that in the 1960s the BBC had to re-use expensive video tape and had no cost-effective duplication / archiving system in place. Some material survived on the basis of "historical importance", but that generally didn't mean pop music. The BBC was (and still is) a state-sponsored / non-commercial outfit and could not be expected to be too extravagent - it had limited funds from licence payers and no other revenue streams at the time, hence the videotape recycling.
Your comment about the BBC is invalid here, however, because Ready Steady Go! was made by Associated-Rediffusion who WERE a commercial company and had none of the same finance restrictions as the BBC. Point being that they had much less excuse about not being able to save this stuff, which makes it even more annoying...
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Mon, 06 September 2010 09:38 |
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are we only speculating here about what really remains of The Who on RSG.has Dave Clarke ever issued a list of what he has.i remember a tale of him not being very forthcoming when approached by the band/trinifold for footage.................used to love those RSG repeats in the early 80's on C4[apart from the DC5 inserts]............star studded..........wore the old VT's out!!!on the subject of star studded,were the 80's episodes cleverly edited together from a larger bunch of shows to appear star filled.i think i recall The Who,Beatles and Stones being on one episode.is this all that is left,the 6 or 7 shows on that were on C4.............loved The Beach Bums playing live too!!!!!
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Tue, 07 September 2010 02:27 |
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| quadboy555 wrote on Mon, 06 September 2010 10:38 |
are we only speculating here about what really remains of The Who on RSG.has Dave Clarke ever issued a list of what he has.i remember a tale of him not being very forthcoming when approached by the band/trinifold for footage.................used to love those RSG repeats in the early 80's on C4[apart from the DC5 inserts]............star studded..........wore the old VT's out!!!on the subject of star studded,were the 80's episodes cleverly edited together from a larger bunch of shows to appear star filled.i think i recall The Who,Beatles and Stones being on one episode.is this all that is left,the 6 or 7 shows on that were on C4.............loved The Beach Bums playing live too!!!!!
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As far as I can tell, the Lost TV Shows outfit has audited the archives of all the TV companies and assumes that something is lost until there is evidence that is has been found. However, odd shows on the 'lost' list do turn up sometimes so nothing is definite. The list of Ready Steady Go! is pretty precise in its detail and would appear to take account of the Dave Clark archive as well. However, I'm only quoting the website myself and have no real evidence one way or another.
It doesn't help that the 1980s repeats were, like you said, not complete shows but composits - the only one I saw that appeared complete and intact was the Rolling Stones special. The Who's live performances of "Anyway Anyhow Anywhere" and "Shout And Shimmy" originally from the same show were edited into two different programmes for the repeats. In other words, Dave Clark's archive has been garbled beyond recognition.
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Tue, 07 September 2010 02:37 |
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Looking at the dates of the missing episodes, wasn't "Anyway Anyhow Anywhere" and "Shout And Shimmy" from 21/5/65 or 2/7/65? This episode is clearly not missing. The list is obviously not so accurate after all...
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Tue, 07 September 2010 10:48 |
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| oates wrote on Tue, 07 September 2010 03:37 |
Looking at the dates of the missing episodes, wasn't "Anyway Anyhow Anywhere" and "Shout And Shimmy" from 21/5/65 or 2/7/65? This episode is clearly not missing. The list is obviously not so accurate after all...
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according to the revised AAA book the two above performances were pre-taped on the 1st of july,claiming that the previous reports of it being from the21st of may were wrong.it also says it is the only surviving Who appearances............maybe french Tv has something of RSG'S forays across the channel.where were the French Tv shows that surfaced on Youtube a couple of years ago from.............that old article in Record Collector 164# of The Who on film and Tv could do with some revising.
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Thu, 09 September 2010 00:51 |
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The Record Collector article The Who On Film And TV definitely needs revising! I should know because I wrote it. Ah, the days before every detail of history was available on the internet...
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Thu, 09 September 2010 09:30 |
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| oates wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 01:51 |
The Record Collector article The Who On Film And TV definitely needs revising! I should know because I wrote it. Ah, the days before every detail of history was available on the internet...
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i know you wrote it.i enjoyed all of your articles from this period...............on the subject of your compositions,how much do you think a copy of the old "gen" mags are worth nowadays?
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Fri, 10 September 2010 01:25 |
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| quadboy555 wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 10:30 |
| oates wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 01:51 |
The Record Collector article The Who On Film And TV definitely needs revising! I should know because I wrote it. Ah, the days before every detail of history was available on the internet...
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i know you wrote it.i enjoyed all of your articles from this period...............on the subject of your compositions,how much do you think a copy of the old "gen" mags are worth nowadays?
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I don't know but they have appeared on Ebay. I'd like to say they're now worth £50 each as I have about 300 back copies in my garage....But as your other post suggested, the content of Generations is less reliable these days.
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Fri, 10 September 2010 10:38 |
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| oates wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 02:25 |
the content of Generations is less reliable these days.
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that sounds like reasonable grounds for a refund then! 
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Fri, 10 September 2010 10:53 |
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| quadboy555 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 19:38 |
| oates wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 02:25 |
the content of Generations is less reliable these days.
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that sounds like reasonable grounds for a refund then!
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ive given you half of your refund <sorry in joke between me and quad>
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Fri, 10 September 2010 11:41 |
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| xaw wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 11:53 |
| quadboy555 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 19:38 |
| oates wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 02:25 |
the content of Generations is less reliable these days.
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that sounds like reasonable grounds for a refund then!
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ive given you half of your refund <sorry in joke between me and quad>
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bloody interlopers,always causing trouble. 
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Fri, 10 September 2010 12:18 |
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Wed, 22 September 2010 07:09 |
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I remember reading an article once that impishly suggested that when Redivusion lost the franchise to broadcast weekends to the London area a removal van contracted to clear out their offices in Wembley vanished & never reached it's destination {could this have been loaded with the long lost Who tapes ?}. It was further scurrilously hinted at that the tapes captured {in the background} some very important people indulging in activities that would have brought some quite powerful careers to a grinding halt ! - sounds more like an episode of The Prisoner lol.
Loved the Otis Redding special too , particularly towards the end when you get to see some early Mod/Skinhead crossover types grooving away to 'Shake !'.
He always comes out when i drink my gin.
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Wed, 22 September 2010 08:40 |
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Fri, 05 November 2010 03:55 |
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Ready Steady Go! was broadcast by Redifussion, an independent TV company. The BBC had nothing to do with the programme.
You're right about Dave Clark ediing the shows for video though. I remember seeing a clip of the Dave Clark Five that cuts away to the audience and you see a girl in the audience shout "Ringo!"
A lot of British kids at the time thought the Dave Clark Five were a bunch of tossers. Most of their hits were quite repetitive and similar. It was only when I was living in LA in the 1990s that I heard that ballad 'Because' for the first time. It was never played in Britain. A nice record, although it does sound like a John Lennon song!
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Fri, 05 November 2010 07:30 |
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| maxrnb wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 04:55 |
Ready Steady Go! was broadcast by Redifussion, an independent TV company. The BBC had nothing to do with the programme.
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Many Americans seem to think that ALL British TV shows are from the BBC. If you read the reviews of classic UK TV drama DVDs on Amazon.com, you'll realise that they think Upstairs Downstairs, Brideshead Revisited, Foyles War and hundreds of other ITV shows all come from the BBC.
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Fri, 05 November 2010 15:20 |
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| maxrnb wrote on Fri, 05 November 2010 04:55 |
Ready Steady Go! was broadcast by Redifussion, an independent TV company. The BBC had nothing to do with the programme.
You're right about Dave Clark ediing the shows for video though. I remember seeing a clip of the Dave Clark Five that cuts away to the audience and you see a girl in the audience shout "Ringo!"
A lot of British kids at the time thought the Dave Clark Five were a bunch of tossers. Most of their hits were quite repetitive and similar. It was only when I was living in LA in the 1990s that I heard that ballad 'Because' for the first time. It was never played in Britain. A nice record, although it does sound like a John Lennon song!
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even has the same title! 
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Sat, 13 November 2010 11:18 |
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Hi, I just logged into the forum.
Does somebody of you know where to find the complete song "anyway anyhow anywhere" perfomed on RSG in full lenght and good quality?
I already have the dvd´s:
"the kids are allright" by sanctuary = good quality but faded out.
"Ready Steady Go - Vol. 2" by In Performance ?? = low quality but complete song.
The youtube versions are also mostly low quality so I would be happy if someone could help me.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Christian
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Tue, 19 April 2011 05:53 |
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Just joined this forum in case anyone's interested in hearing a 'lost' RSG performance I upped to youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT9hIRCLI_o
Audio only I'm afraid: The Who - Man With Money
This was recorded via a R2R microphone held to the TV speaker.
Sound quality good considering circumstances and age of tape and a really great performance imo.
My bruv also has many R2R tapes to investigate (if he ever gets round to it), so there may be more to come...
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Tue, 19 April 2011 08:11 |
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| crusty wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 11:18 |
Hi, I just logged into the forum.
Does somebody of you know where to find the complete song "anyway anyhow anywhere" perfomed on RSG in full lenght and good quality?
I already have the dvd´s:
"the kids are allright" by sanctuary = good quality but faded out.
"Ready Steady Go - Vol. 2" by In Performance ?? = low quality but complete song.
The youtube versions are also mostly low quality so I would be happy if someone could help me.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Christian
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The complete clip from RSG studios can be found on a boot dvd called Purple Hearrts & Power Chords. Quality is decent for the time, similar to the clip seen in TKAA. That collection belongs in the home of every Who fan - best set of available TV clips in both quality & quantity.
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Mon, 04 July 2011 10:56 |
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Thu, 07 July 2011 17:09 |
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| bobzilla77 wrote on Tue, 19 April 2011 09:11 |
The complete clip from RSG studios can be found on a boot dvd called Purple Hearrts & Power Chords. Quality is decent for the time, similar to the clip seen in TKAA. That collection belongs in the home of every Who fan - best set of available TV clips in both quality & quantity.
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Can someone PM me a good source for this?
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